Answered Has OE 11.5 been release today (8/12/2014)?

TheMadDBA

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TP is going to take some time to get fully evolved. Hopefully they will keep working on it and not consider it finished.

The new VST stuff is nice and should help out more with tools like protop, promonitor and our own home grown stuff.... no more parsing ps and trying to read parameter files :)

Also anxiously awaiting the pricing details on advanced enterprise.
 

Cringer

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Also, the Advanced Enterprise Edition RDBMS is interesting. It bundles Enterprise RDBMS, TDE, MT, TP, Repl Plus, and OEM in one product, installed with one serial/control code. Could be a good value for some of my clients, depending on pricing. I haven't seen the new price list yet.


for us it saves around£15 per head.
 

Cringer

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That's over what we're currently paying, but we don't have TDE, partitionining, OE Management, multi-tenancy,... all of which we've been considering investing in, so in that sense we're getting them all for £15 a head less than what we were paying before.
 

Rob Fitzpatrick

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So Replication is your only add-on? Are you saying that if you traded in your RDBMS and Repl licenses for an AEE RDBMS license it would be £15/seat less than if you kept your existing licenses and added licenses for TDE, TP, MT, and OEM? How many of those would you actually use?

It seems very unlikely that anyone would use all of the DBs add-ons together. So I think this new license would have to represent a discount over the price of only two or three add-ons in order for it to have value.
 

Cringer

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Yeah seems strange to me too, but then I think we've been overpaying license fees for a while because
a) we've had a poor rep (although don't quote me on that as I've already been chastised for saying it out loud once)
b) we been on an old license model for a looooong time
 

TheMadDBA

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I can't see anybody using MT and TP together... mostly because anybody large enough to really need TP isn't going to be very happy running in a MT environment with a lot of other tenants.

Everything else makes sense together for larger shops. I guess I was expecting more of a discount compared to buying all of those individually.
 

Cringer

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I'm not 100% sure actually. My boss was a little hazy on the details and on leave now until new year, but I believe that converting to named/registered has been discussed.
 

Rob Fitzpatrick

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You should strongly consider that. I haven't see a case yet where staying on Concurrent made financial sense. Of course it's possible to conceive of a situation where Concurrent would be cheaper than Named or Registered but in every case I've examined personally, Named was considerably cheaper.

Be sure to get yourself a copy of the current (December 2013) product licensing guide if you don't already have it.
 

tamhas

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Depends a lot on the shop and the pattern of users. The ideal would be able to use all three for one site, but at the very least, concurrent should be an option for new sites, albeit at a higher price.
 

TheMadDBA

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The last place I worked as an employee almost managed to convert to CPU based before PSC decided to pull that model.. would have saved them almost half a million dollars a year in support/maint fees.

Named users ended up saving them money, but not anywhere near as much.
 

TheMadDBA

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I would have loved to be in those meetings when they were deciding to kill off CPU based pricing. Would have been an interesting mix of entertainment and frustration.

Wouldn't want PSC to be sensible like Oracle, Microsoft, IBM and pretty much every other company :)
 

tamhas

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Yes, ages ago. There has been some musical chairs about who my rep was and a couple of pokes to the one I thought was the current rep went unanswered so I poked the old one, who has always been reliable in the past (Yeah, Bob Z) and it turned out he was my rep again and he caused it to show up in no time.
 

Rob Fitzpatrick

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It seems these days they aren't pushing out new drops for PSDN; you have to ask for them. So it's more of a one-time purchase with 365-day expiry than a "subscription".

On a happier note, having seen the new (Dec 2014) price lists I'm quite happy with the AEE RDBMS pricing. Without going into specifics, AEE is cheaper (per Named User) than Enterprise plus any two add-ons, and it's not too much more than Enterprise plus one add-on. So if you have two or more add-ons it's a savings, and if you have one and were thinking of going for a second, it's essentially a discount with other add-ons thrown in for free. I think that's very fair. Note the across-the-board price increases they mentioned a short time ago are also now in effect.
 

Rob Fitzpatrick

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Another little change I just noticed in 11.5: in Windows each program in the start menu group now has its own icon. They don't all share the "white Lego block on orange background" icon anymore. :)
 

Cringer

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Unfortunately, Rob, if you are already in a maintenance deal, switching to AEE RDBMS is not at all attractive. Certainly not in our case. It's going to cost us a small fortune. So we have to wait until the current maintenance is up before we can switch.
 
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